Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 AEGON GB Pro-Series Foxhills

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The result was delete. L Faraone 00:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2011 AEGON GB Pro-Series Foxhills

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This is a small $25000 ITF tournament, so doesn't meet the tournament notability guidelines used by Wikiproject tennis, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennis/Article_guidelines
MakeSense64 (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because [content forks of the main article]:

I am listing this AfD to see how it goes. There are over 400 similar articles for small ITF tournaments, which can be found on this category page: 2011 ITF Women's Circuit. MakeSense64 (talk) 08:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This point should be listed on the tennis project talk page. Those 2008-2011 $25,000 tournies are not notable but to list them all as afd or speedy delete should be mentioned to make sure no one complains later. Remember that $25,000 tournies before 2008 are notable so there could be some overlap. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, once we have clarity what to do with this kind of articles I will ask the help of the tennis project to clean up these articles. I think the best will be to use WP:PROD, which gives creators/editors time to complain. MakeSense64 (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agreed, it does not meet the notability threshold of $35,000. Neither does the 2010 event for that matter. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Legis (talk - contribs) 07:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - These 25K ITF tournaments are important in matter of point distribution! (Gabinho^>:) 08:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC))[reply]

The 10K ITF tournaments also offer ranking points. So, that's not a criterion for notability.

The current concensus on the wikiproject tennis is that ITF tourneys under 35K are not notable. You can propose to change that at the wp tennis, but until there is a change we should just go by current guidelines. This one is well under 35K and also fails GNG. MakeSense64 (talk) 14:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no women's tournament that is worth that. It goes, 10, 25, 50, 75, 100. Sounds like some people are gaming a bit instead of looking at the big picture. For example men's challengers go to 35k apparently, not that I look it's a challenger, the problem is you can't use a system designed for one tour and try and impliment it on a completly different thing! If you limited it to no yearly article's on any tournament under 50k then it would work. But 35k limit for a woman's tournament is totally unplausable as per above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.23.177 (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not gaming and after discussion we did look at the big picture. And yes you can try and implement one tour over the other because that's exactly what we attempted to do. Is it perfect, no it's not...but it is fair. Who knows what dollar amount the womens tour may come up with next year or the year after. Right now the men's bottom of notability is the challenger and the lowest challenger is $35000. No mens ITF is notable at all. The ladies have no challenger tour so we made the cutoff of theirs at $35000 also; knowing they have no $35000 tournies at this moment. The men give more points to their 35000 challengers than the ladies do for their $25000 events (maybe the $50000 too?). This was all discussed and was the fairest balance so editors would know what to add and what not to add. There are a heck of a lot more of these tiny $25000 ladies events then there are $35000 mens challenger events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all Tournament is below the limit of $35,000 limit of notability, and lacks significant coverage in reliable sources, thus non-notable. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk about}_{about my edits?} 12:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Can this AfD be closed by an admin? This discussion is now 3 weeks old and has been neither relisted nor closed. A more recent AfD involving under $35k ITF tournaments was already closed as delete this week. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 ITF Djibouti Open (1). MakeSense64 (talk) 13:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment' This AfD was incomplete, as it wasn't added to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 December 7, now listed under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 December 30. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk about}_{about my edits?} 14:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually did add it to the Dec7 log Diff, but some editor (now banned) had removed it. MakeSense64 (talk) 09:48, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see what actually happened, TigerShark screwed up by the relisting of one item, and made many deletion discussions hidden. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 11:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK then. I guess it will get through the wringer eventually. MakeSense64 (talk) 13:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete And delete the others where the situation is the same. North8000 (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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